Question about Stacking your weight over the edge

Oh also can someone clarify "breaking at the waist" means?

@skoonk 

"Stacking your weight over the edge" refers mostly to the crunching and stretching in the obliques.  But it's just a cue, not a movement in itself, and you could only truly stack your weight over the edge if you were balancing there with no speed.  (That position with speed would lead to turning the board and creating centripetal forces which would unbalance you, forcing you to lean into the turn to compensate, and not be "stacked over the edge" anymore right?)

I prefer to describe the movement by bringing focus to the obliques as above and by constantly reminding riders to "keep your shoulders level", as in the Tray Drill.

So on toeside, you stretch through the rear oblique and crunch in the front obliques to keep your shoulders level.  This movement brings your upper body closer over your edge, thereby "stacking your weight over the edge".

Heelside is the opposite of course, you crunch in the rear oblique and stretch in the front, again bringing your upper body away from the inside of the turn and coming closer to "stacking your weight over the edge".

In a way, your position is as though you had stacked your body weight over the edge (like balancing on edge on a carpet) and then just leaned over, keeping your shoulders level.  But again, just a cue, not to be taken too literally.

Breaking at the waist is when you’re not bending toward the nose, but sticking your butt out heel side, folding/breaking at the waist, and sticking your chest out over the toeside (like a weird counter balance for your centre of mass).  When you loose tension in the waist you can’t really control body movements and you’re kinda just along for the ride.

Don’t be a poo man!

@wild-cherry makes sense and I will try to get video, kind of hard to describe with words what I'm doing wrong. There were times I crunched the obliques and it didn't really do anything. I feel like "crunching the obliques" relies on a proper hip movement first, if that makes sense...

So I agree that you shouldn't stick your butt back (breaking at the waist) like @board-doctor mentioned. Are you moving your hips laterally side to side then? How would you lean your lower body as much as possible to the inside of the turn?

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Are you moving your hips laterally side to side then?

Yes, exactly!

@board-doctor wait let me just confirm one more thing lol

so something like this: (yes I drew this in Microsoft paint)

so the 3 red ovals are the two feet and hips, the middle one being the hip. So move the hip in the green direction arrow?

Or do I need to rotate my hip square to the nose of the board? I don't know if it's a 100% necessary because most carvers I've seen on Youtube don't and it's a lot of rotation...

You want to rotate the hips more, especially heelside.

Lars demonstrates this around 3min into this video:

James has a a whole video on the hip shift too.

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How would you lean your lower body as much as possible to the inside of the turn?

By dropping the knees to the snow, like a motorbike racer.

Send the video, this discussion is quite abstract.

Nicholas Wolken also has a good bit on the hips 3 min in here:

There are lots of carvers on YouTube with their hips rotated.  It’s easier  in a posi stance, but others do it to some extent as well (unless your talking more of a ‘flatland’ freestyle).

@skoonk I’m giving you these other perspectives assuming you’ve watched the seminal Secrets vid:

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Nicholas Wolken also has a good bit on the hips 3 min in here:

This is a great video, I hadn't seen it before.  Thanks!