Most Common Fall
Hello Carvers,
My most common fall is when I'm going heelside, and I'm not quite sure what's going on. I'll leave a video here that shows a few decent turns and ends with two falls. Any insight would be welcome!
Riding +30/+15 on Burton Custom X 162W, Size 9.5 Ions. Forgot my snow pants at home on accident.
@lukejuras can you show those falls in slow motion? I can't slow down the video in this format. I suspect boot out in that chopped up snow but it all happens so fast. There are also issues with your heelside body position, harder to analyze with selfie footage.
I'm just slaying...
@wild-cherry I could reduce speed to 25% with the video player in Chrome, three vertical dots in the lower right to change playback speed. I don't think either of these are due to boot out looking at the tracks in the snow.
@lukejuras To me on the first fall (at 36 seconds) it looks like the following:
- You get a bit bucked around by the mini mogul when you ride up on it causing you to get a bit out of position,
- On the other side of the mini mogul (going "down" from it) the tail of your board slips out
- The board grips up again quickly because the snow is so soft, but now it has rotated so it's not in your direction of travel anymore
- You're not ready for that type of force being already out of balance so you lose your balance even more
- The board to simply skid out.
The second one at about 1 minute is also partially due to lumpy snow.
- You can see the board torsionally twist as you're riding "down" one of those mini moguls
- This causes the board to take a wider turn than you are leaning in for because the angle of the nose flattens relative to the snow. You can see this as a clearly very wiggly line in the snow.
- This puts you in a position with straight legs and an almost 90° bend in your hip relative to your thighs, putting your center of gravity too far inside of the turn so you fall and skid out.
The second one could probably be helped with a more torsionally stiff board maybe maybe maybe? As far as body position and whatnot, I'm not a good enough rider to comment on that so I'll leave it to the experts. Don't listen to me too much
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The first one looks like it could've been boot drag, as your weight lurches forward.
On the second one you had great body angulation, but bending your knees and ankles a bit more would bring your centre of mass closer to the edge & stack your weight a bit better (may need to go slower though). It's certainly easier to absorb bumps and feather the edge pressure on your toes... on your heels you're loosing edge angle with the bumps and wobbling off trajectory. How's your dorsiflexion?
But I'm sure the board is limiting as well. Burton's tend to be softer through the middle with fairly stiff tips. If the nose doesn't plow through the chop, it's going to twist the middle (similar to ankle steering).
(I see Felix had very similar thoughts on the second one)
Big White, BC, Canada
@superfelix Thanks! I included the earlier turns because I'm also getting bucked around at 0:03 and 0:17 and 0:23, but for some reason I'm able to balance through those. It may be that I'm on a mellower slope and don't mind picking up speed, but at 0:36 I'm on a steeper face so I'm trying to angulate the board more for tighter turns (speed control). I wonder if that's where the problem starts:
where my center of gravity is just too far inside the turn. I also have this issue on nicer days with fewer bumps. I'll get a nice toeside in, then I fall on my butt on my transition to heelside.
I can see what you're saying about the nose grabbing/changing direction and the rest of my body isn't ready to go with it.
I think where I'm really struggling is this: I want more angle on the board, I want the tighter carve, and I'm using my balance/weight to get the board up on edge (along with my knees/feet). But because I'm leaned over more, there's less margin of error before I fall over. Do I fix this by just getting better at balancing, or find another way to readjust my body position?
@lukejuras I think you should listen to Mr Doctor and bend your knees more because it will bring your center of mass closer to the edge of the board so you have more wiggle room to adjust.
Also. Since both of these falls were coming down from a mini mogul that means that’s actually where the slope is at its steepest since you get slope steepness + mogul steepness and that contributes to you skidding out a little? I remember vaguely some tip about mogul skiing to avoid doing anything like steering or pivoting on the backside of the moguls because that’s the steepest place on the entire mountain so everything becomes much more difficult right there.
Ill slo-mo my way through the other turns where you get bucked around when I get back to my laptop and see if I can see what happens even if can say why…
In all of the turns at 3, 17 and 23 seconds you have enough bend in your knees to absorb the bumps. You never get anywhere near as straight legged as you do in your second fall.
These bumps also look smaller and softer, so they result in much less torsional twist of the board compared to at the second fall as the board slices through these a bit more. Compared to the first fall the backside of the bumps are less steep so you don't get that slideout that I think is what sets you up for the first fall.
Watching it again and scrolling through... there's definitely some boot-out that's starting the chaos.
Your toes drag a bit, but in general it'll be the back toe and at that point the weight will already back on board. But when the front heel drags before you've shifted your weight back, it'll bring your weight even more forward (when it should be shifting back).
If you flexed your knees some more (getting your rear knee over your toes) you might not slide out as much and be able to save it... but those aren't great conditions and the Burton heel cups are CHUNKY!
This is when boot underhang rides really nice.
Big White, BC, Canada
With the soft and less than smooth snow, it's not surprising you had a few falls. My deux centimes- That much difference between front foot angle and rear foot angle makes it more likely to push the board away on heel side turns, creating too much pressure, causing blowouts. It looks like heel drag as well, exacerbated buy the loose snow. Finally, and I haven't ridden one in a few seasons, but the Custom X is an awesome all-mountain board that can do everything pretty well, but compared to dedicated soft boot carving boards, it falls behind. You are definitely putting the wood to it- I think the board is doing the best it can.
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