I’ve used the HV pro-tour, but they’re a softer foam with an articulation/flex point.  I found these at Mountain Equipment Co-oo in town and had them molded.  Better than stock, but does break down. (K2 Traxis)

i ordered HV Dreamliner from another shop, but I think I actually got the Luxury.  I like them a lot. Didn’t even mold them. (Vans Verse)

I recently picked up the HD Race.  Noticeably stiffer, not that comfortable (not molded), and I’ll only use these for serious carving.  (Ride Inasano)

Thanks for the heads-up, just ordered a pair of Dreamliners to go in my Ride Lasso boots. My next boots will probably be the Insanos too, but I've only had the Lassos for one season (about 30 days) so it's hard to justify the expense...

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Thanks for the heads-up, just ordered a pair of Dreamliners to go in my Ride Lasso boots. My next boots will probably be the Insanos too, but I've only had the Lassos for one season (about 30 days) so it's hard to justify the expense...

How do you like the Ride Lasso's? I tried them on the Ride Lasso Pro Wide and found them to be comfortable but soft Are you using any aftermarket items to stiffen them up?

@kagurasnowsurfer I was coming from very soft (and slightly too large) boots, so they were definitely an improvement. Now that they've broken in, and I'm improving my carving skills, they do feel a bit too soft. I've also upgraded my bindings late last season and that helped a lot.

The Dreamliners I just received have a much stiffer cuff area, so that should add some rigidity.

I've seen the strap-ins recommended in another thread and I've ordered a set; hopefully that plus the new liners will improve the boots enough for this season.

Hey sorry for a noob question but I might consider upgrading my gear sometime (this is my first season) and heard about liners as one of the many equipment to upgrade. My questions are:

- How long do liners last / need to be replaced?

- Are they compatible with any boot? When you buy new boots (same Mondo size) do you still use the old liner or do you need to buy another liner?

- My current boots are Ride Deadbolt Zonal and it says "Genuine Intuition Foam" - is that the same as the Intuition liners Board Doctor is talking about lol?

- Where do you get the liners with a hard shell like James has in his Secrets of Snowboard Carving Part 2 - The Interface?

- I feel that my current boots have a little bit of heel lift - is that something can be solved by purchasing the Intuition liners?

The Genuine Intuition foam is the same stuff, but some stock liners just put it around the heel where you need it to conform the most.

For heel lift, I'd first measure the length of your foot and make sure you're in the correct mondo length.  Lots of people wear boots that are too large (I did for decades).  Also do a shell fit... remove the liner and see how many fingers you can fit behind your heel.  Some boots are larger than others (despite the mondo 'standard').  Check the Intuition sizing, but I think one finger is the low volume (9mm), 1.5 fingers is the medium volume (12mm) and 2 fingers is the high volume (15mm).  If it's more than 2 fingers, your boots are probably too big and you're not going to be able to fill that space.  Otherwise, you should be able to get a liner that fits.  Don't try to put a wrap liner in a tongue boot though, it's probably not going to fit.

Aftermarket insoles could certainly help with heel lift, some have a thicker heel.  Plus if you have any arch at all you probably want better insoles with some arch support.  If you've got a local pedorthist with a good sized shop they probably stock a few that you could try off the shelf.

I think James has used ski boot liners (I haven't done that since I used Sorrels!).  They are indeed better than a lot of snowboard liners for serious alpine carving.  Some people simply toss the brand new liner in favour of a bougie custom fit like the Intuition.  Check your local ski shop, they might have some kicking around for a cheap deal.

How long does the Intution last?  It depends which one you go for (density of foam) and how much break-in you'll tolerate.  I'll break in new boots with stock liners for 10-20 days, at which point they're clearly flexing more.  I think I put about 60 days on the Pro-Tour (softer foam with a flex point) before I didn't like carving with them anymore... but still use them to freeride.

@skoonk Your boots don't have Ride's "Tongue Tied" thing? It's actually pretty effective against heel lift. That, and getting the proper size.

To answer your question about liners, the original ones in my Lassos also said Intuition on them, but they're really different from the real Intuition Dreamliners I got through this sale:

Main relevant difference for carving is that the Dreamliners have a very hard cuff and tongue. In the pics below I'm squeezing both liners with the same force:

 You see that the stock one squishes easily while the Dreamliner doesn't move at all. This rigidity at the cuff and tongue is really good for carving and I've stopped using Knapton's shin guard trick with these liners. I'm only at 3 days on them, though so I might start using the shin guards again once they break in a little more.

If you go that route, be aware that they still need some breaking in even after heat molding. The first day was very uncomfortable on the top of my foot as the tongue kept creeping down and putting pressure there so I always needed to pull on it before every run. The second day it was all gone, and they're now pretty comfy (at least 80% of what my old ones were).

This liner is from a snowboard race boot, highly recommended: https://upzboots.com/product/upz-flo-liner-set/