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wintervince
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Hello fellow trenchers! I have used risers for obvious reasons in the past with production boards. The industry "wide" board is a joke. I got my first 28.5cm board this year, got rit of risers, with my boot size it's almost perfect. So I figure between 29-30cm waist with my angles I won't drag anymore. So there is the question: Why using risers if you don't boot out with your preferred stance and angles? Not saying they are a reference, but looking at SBX riders setup at a world cup event, I could see the ones using risers had basic flat basic black UHMW plates (not JJA), not lift or cant neither

I've ridden and still own:

- Catek spacer; rising 3/16" (4.7625mm)

- Burton elevators, rising 12mm (destroying your topsheet every turns but adjustable enough in length and rotation)

- Bomber powerplate (high and heavy, applying pressure only at the center of the board, no cant or lift on my version)

- Palmer Powerlink plates (yes the older 3/4" ones)

- Catek FR2 Binding (first gen), largely adjustable for lift and cant

 

I'd like feeback if you own or tried:

- Plamer later plates (PLS Series 10 or 12mm) https://www.palmerplus.com/ch/en/SNOWBOARD/

- Donek risers (seems I've heard R Napton promote them but nobody else is cheering)

- Snowboard Interface

- Edge Risers

- Apex - Virus - Kessler found here:

- JJ sells his plates by the width, never tried but looks basic enough

 

I've heard...

- *** If you don't use standoffs and put longer screws you increase tension on T-nuts and risk damaging your board! For reference here is an example of extension bolts, or "standoff"

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- Over 150mm it's too high and causes inefficiencies, added strain = more prone to knee injury, increase in effort and time to shift weight from edges (taken from an eminent rider)

- Apex and Virus risers apply pressure concentrated at the edge, they would alter the natural flexing behaviour of the board?

 

So my question again? why risers if you don't boot out nor drag?

@wild-cherry: what's causing your board to feel stiffer if the risers mimics the surface dimension of your bindings? (I understand the clearance preventing to boot out and the lever effect on the edges by raising the height of the bindings)

Lastly: they are so expensive someone wants to start a 3d printing company with me? We could make them to order with defined lift and cant??? This would eliminate flimsy add-on spacers! (almost...

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Wild Cherry
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Posted by: @wintervince

someone wants to start a 3d printing company with me?

Hell yes!  We've been working on some prototypes already.  Send me an email, let's get this party started!

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If you want to automate 3d print farming, I would alter the design so printers could auto-eject the print by having less surface area on the print bed. You could do this in several ways.
I think personally the easiest and best thing to do would be printing it vertically so it prints standing on the posterior flat end of the heel section so when It finishes printing it should look like a wide "I". The print head would then be able to collide with the print, knock it off the bed, and start a new print restarting the automated cycle.

If you go this route, I would change the step file by plugging up the triangular holes as they would cause more points of failure because of bridging.

If you find that printing it vertically is failing for some reason add recessed sections on the bottom or add more through holes into your design. But that means more bridging on the first few layers which isn't good for quality control.

Since that step file seems pretty simple to manufacture. You should also look at CNC manufacturing in your area and maybe get some quotes for plastic milling. I don't think plastic injection would be worth the cost of cast molds probably isn't worth it for the number of interested buyers.


   
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Wild Cherry
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Posted by: @duckle

isn't worth it for the number of interested buyers.

Maybe true but that's partly why I started this forum, to consolidate and grow the market.

 

Sounds like you need to be involved @duckle!  And a mold might not be as much as you think.  I know a guy.

 

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Duckle
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@wild-cherry Sure, Ill try to help. Is there a way to personal message you my email?


   
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Wild Cherry
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Posted by: @duckle

Sure, Ill try to help. Is there a way to personal message you my email?

Yes!  Email me at [email protected] please

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